The gas-ram had a short lock time, but gained a reputation for harsh recoil. But it is harsh and hold sensitive. In 25 years it has only required a new safety and occasional breech seal. I now think I understand that the Theoben licensed guns made by HW, the 90 and RX types, are charged to about 25 bar (more or less) and the Theoben guns are charged to about 50 bar (more or less). Very helpful. The only reason for the change was the expiration of the original patent. The power has been achieved by the combination of producing the rifle with a long stroke piston and specially developed piston recoil damper valve and the well tried Theoben H.E. It depends on the vintage of the rifle. Parker Hale Phoenix The gas ram propulsion system was, I believe, originally developed by the Englishman Dave Theobald in the late 1970s. VPilot. Airgunwerks, in conjunction with Theoben now offer you the option of making your airgun the best it can be! The wood is tough and difficult to machine, and became very hard to source due to forest protection. Need help - Trying to charge up a Theoben gas ram with RFM adapter. So I bought a gas ram theoben on a Wim, Yeah I know!!! Theoben had officially been making gas-ram-powered air rifles since 1980 when they were granted the patent for the system, but Ben Taylor had the idea back in 1978 when he was working on a Suzuki GS1000 motorbike which had air-assisted forks. Theoben and Weihrauch Gas Ram rifles. (High Efficiency) System is the latest incarnation of the gas-ram, and it’s a highly sophisticated unit with an additional ‘inertia’ piston that follows the main piston and helps to smooth out recoil. I have had problems with other types that use an o-ring to seal. Is this about right? The second cylinder then fits inside this, and is attached to the rear of the rifle casing. The Theoben Sirocco gas ram system. Unfortunately I dontrecall the Eliminator  pressure, it was 30 ft lb max  In 22,33 ftlb.in 25 ,kelly. T&Cs | Rules | Limitations | Privacy Policy. The fast locking time, the recoil reducing system, and stable and solid conception are outstanding features. H.E. 3,048. Equipped with the precision adjustable trigger "Elite" with automatic safety. Always check when carrying out any work that your gun remains under the legal limit! pellet at 895 fps. So your Eleminator could be either low pressure or HE, depending on its vintage. Do not use the gauge! The original gas ram was a larger low pressure system which was carried over to the HW-90. My first Eliminator arrived from Litt’s DOA and I received instructions from the factory regarding the charging process. The adapter is to use the “Slim Jim” pump on both systems. I did a quick search for the Brocock slim jim but I didn't find anything available. A good number of airgunners are familiar with the fine airgun line produced by Theoben. VPilot. The very fast locking time and the recoil reducing system as well as its stable and solid conception are the out-standing features. I use trial and error to get the velocity and smoothness desired. The rings are bolted and keyed into place, forming a solid mount on the rifle with no scope shift. Their piston guns use a patented High Efficiency (HE) gas ram system that replaces the metal spring with an air spring. 3,048. 3,048. Theoben .22 Eliminator-Outfit Break Barrel - Gas Ram Air Rifle (R/H) - S/H Start off at 600 psi and take it from there. Better tolerance to wear etc? Scroll to Top The Weihrauch HW90 incorporates the Theoben gas ram system. It appears there might be a plastic sleeve before the valve. I’ve dropped the pressure to about 20-22 bar. Thnx again!). I have Beeman RX1 and a HW90...max pressure for RX1 is 22 BAR, HW90 is 26 BAR as is clearly marked on rear. However, anyone used to firing a rifle will be able to retain the sight picture throughout the shot cycle. The black adapter that most people see online must fit other type of Theobens. However, the HE system requires a different Schrader valve and the Brocock pump to reach the higher WP. Please note this is for the Weihrauch HW90 later models, with Theoben gas ram fitted. Comes with a single block mount and a Weaver… £399 US$544/€442. Thanks for the info. Your email address will not be published. 02-06-2017, 01:10 PM #15 bighit 22" barrel (including moderator), figured walnut stock with rubber recoil pad. thanks, perhaps I’m beginning to see the light. Have 2 theoben pumps for pre HE guns available. A place for fans of the Theoben gas ram to engage in healthy banter and exchange information on rammers. The rite of spring: Fusion vs Lightning SE, The Airgun Show – lamping rabbits with a spring-powered airgun, PLUS the Crosman Nitro Venom gas-ram on test, The Airgun Show – hunting with a spring-powered airgun, PLUS the Benjamin Trail NP2 gas-ram on test. someone almost got my goat,  should I thrash them??? The gauge fits as well. Comes with a single block mount and a Weaver… £399 US$541/€443 Theoben.22 Eliminator-Outfit The safety is a blade ahead of the trigger, and can be taken off by pushing the trigger finger forward and reapplied at any time. gas-ram system. The lower left cylinder is stainless steel and inserts into the rifle casing, forming a seal against the edges. Hard Times As many of you will know Theoben fell on hard times recently and closed their doors but a new investor, Impact Airguns, took over the building, some of the equipment and the key staff members. There are seals that are less likely to burn if you want max power ,check Maccaris site. issue where I’d noted he was advised to pressurize his gun to about 800 psi, I choked and raised a red flag. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > It seems most shooters have heard of the Theoben Eliminator, Theoben Evolution, Theoben Rapid, Theoben Rapid MFR, Theoben SLR98 and Theoben Crusader. The overall affect is that all spring vibration, twang, and … “led_lobber86” im pretty shure the hw90 has the theoben gasram system that lets you adjust the power and thereby the force needed to coch the gun That’s correct, it has the Theoben Gas Ram System and you can adjust the power if you have the right tools. An excellent condition Theoben Eliminator HE gas ram break barrel FAC rated (20.8 ft lbs) air rifle in rare.20 calibre. I bought the gun used, my 2nd attempt at mastering the magnum .177. http://www.airgunspares.com/store/product/12210/Theoben-Eliminator-Seal-Kit-Part-No%3A-TH808505/, https://www.schmidtyracing.com/Schrader-Valve-Cores-p/n-ft-shr-c.htm. Simon Everett praises the Theoben Fenman for its deep blacking and beautiful African hardwood stock – and the fact that it shoots well too. An inertia weight follows the piston forward and virtually eliminates piston bounce, improving the shot cycle and producing a shot-to-shot consistency in the order of five or six feet per second. SLR-98 made in England by Theoben. The adapter only needs to be finger tight with Dowty washer. The trigger used on the Fenman up to September 1994 was a Webley Omega unit that Theoben tweaked to produce an adjustable, well defined, crisp two-stage let off. 1/8 BSP Male thread to fit most hoses. The rifle casing to the top, and the gas rams below. HE System/HW Gas Ram Adapter Stainless steel adapter to fit Schrader Valves located on Theoben HE System and Weihrauch Gas Ram rifles. The air rifle with the unique Theoben gas ram system. ... system overloaded. I believe that both of my rifles have the HE rams. Theoben created the HE system to get a new patent and touted the new ram as an improvement. (High Efficiency) gas ram system, seven-shot for sale by Craig Joseph on GunsAmerica - 991534679 Dave Schwesinger taught me that you can also use a tire Schrader valve as a replacement and an ordinary (long shank) tire tool on the pre-HE systems for installation and removal. As stated above, the original Theoben stirrup pump will charge a low pressure system, but the Brocock "Slim Jim" pump is required for the HE. The old system is more reliable as it puts less stress on the innards. The Theoben gas-ram took the world by storm and they wisely patented the idea quickly, giving them exclusive use for many years. seem to think you’ve been around these parts a very long time..... Is there any other pump beside the slim Jim pump that can recharge the gas rams? The SLR98, by contrast, is a fixed barrel design, but both rifles utilize the latest version of Theoben’s own H.E. Need help - Trying to charge up a Theoben gas ram with RFM adapter. Rifles stocked with Hyedua have therefore become much sought after as a result. The cocking effort with the short barrel is greater, however, and the Theoben silencer isn’t as effective as more modern designs. that pretty much clears up my confusion. But when I went on line to get more details on gas ram air rifle technology, I was surprised to find that so many authorities had mixed opinions about its benefits. The newer HE system has a skinny stem at higher pressure. Will post what I've learned after ordeal is over. If not, could you please clarify/correct. 177 by the way. I have a couple of Theoben rifles. The brand new FX Crown MkII IN STOCK NOW at Baker Airguns... Pyramyd Air launches Build Your Own Airgun! Something like the Hill pumps. I think the “tissue” test might be deceiving in this case. The newer HE system has a skinny stem at higher pressure. Both Theoben pumps and gauge I own all have the same threaded ends. description The air rifle with the unique Theoben gas ram system. Apparently there is a technique to this that I have to figure out. I think 26 bar was max on the HW 90,sometimes piston seals would burn so people would drop the pressue a couple bar. has 599 members. Any recommended pumps other than the current PCP hand pumps would be appreciated. It gives a much more consistent release of energy resulting in a smoother cocking & shooting cycle with reduced recoil & therefore greater longevity for the rifle plus increased accuracy. I read about the gummy like seal. Sonnysan, so which valve core worked out best between the two? That is why the HW-90 has proven to be so durable. Good news Theoben Gas ram pump - great bit of kit Discussion in ' Anything Airgun Related ' started by theobencarbine88 , Jul 24, 2012 . The HE system uses much higher pressure than the RX system. Your email address will not be published. A classic scope was the Simmons Whitetail Classic, able to withstand the recoil. Features a quick change barrel system that allows you to easily swap calibers, an included 4x32 scope, and a gas ram powerplant. Although Theoben Airguns has gone out of business, you can still buy a breakbarrel rifle with a gas ram powerplant based on Ben Taylor’s design: the HW90. Just proceed as if it is a low pressure system (slowly) until the desired velocity is obtained I using the slim jim. Beeman Gas Ram Dual Caliber Air Rifle. Tinkered with the eliminator more this a.m.  After pointing a flashlight in there I can see the threads. As JimB notes, 2 1/2 was too much and had to vent a bit. This rifle is a great option for those looking for a gun that is just as comfortable punching paper targets as it is taking small game in the field. For the uninitiated, this means that when the rifle is cocked, the piston compresses a sealed chamber of air (Theoben previously used Nitrogen), effectively replacing a normal mainspring. 1/8 BSP Male thread to fit most hoses. Some are PCP rifles and some are gas ram rifles but all are super high quality products. ’preciate you making sense out of that for me! I too, can be rough on stuff. Chrono with jsb exacts for a steady reading of 11.3,it's. The Schrader valve comes as part of the regular seal kit. hi Mike, Ive used a foot pump, Hill, FX, most any asian. A good friend has a 90 in .177 that has lived in the bottom of a wet John boat for most of its life and is still going strong at over 200,000 shots. An excellent condition Theoben Eliminator HE gas ram break barrel FAC rated (20.8 ft lbs) air rifle in rare .20 calibre. Another feature of the Fenman was the use of an African hardwood called Hyedua (pronounced ‘shedua’) for the stocks. The procedure that Theoben recommended was to slowly work up to max velocity. No maintenance required and totally reliable. Thanks. Theoben Gas Ram Forum NO SALES. I supposed to see screw threads, correct? If you decide to work on it yourself, I'd be glad to gi... Limbshaker & Ed, I used to have a gun that prefer... Just got my Bluebook of Airguns Edition 13... took a mo... RE: How the vintage Diana ball-see trigger works, @gratewhitehuntr Thank you for the pics! VPilot. My ‘Dan lived most of its life as a truck gun. The barrel on mine seems to “sag” at discharge ever so slightly. Further, I haven't seen the maximum BAR these guns operate at online. I suspected a smaller piston or cylinder at the higher pressure. VPilot. Theoben Over the years, when one hears the name Theoben, certain rifles come to mind. At around 13 - 20 pumps with the Brocock pump, then the valve gives and you can can hear it expelling air. you may purchase adapter for hand pump or SCUBA fill. It's very jerky with no … Equipped with the precision adjustable trigger "Elite" with automatic safety. The only reason for the change was the expiration of the original patent. Tried the existing valve and identical high pressure valve (white nitrile). and are the same. The Schrader valve is accessed through the hole, but I don't recall being able to see threads. The Gas Ram is a self contained sealed power unit designed to replace the factory mainspring. © 2020 BSA Guns (UK) Ltd. Privacy & Cookies | Terms & Conditions. Gas-piston powerplant An excellent condition Theoben Eliminator HE gas ram break barrel FAC rated (20.8 ft lbs) air rifle in rare .20 calibre. Excellent AS N... for sale This is a pristine condition BEEMAN.22 Cal. The Theoben pumps were designed for low volume and high pressure. Theoben created the HE system to get a new patent and touted the new ram as an improvement. I disasseblyed crow and elim,they have the same unit power gas ram ,are the same the internal parts ( brass block,dummy,ram,inertia etc) and the same oring sizes for piston and gas ram parts ( total 8 orings) . But engineering quality is high, and the fixed telescopic sight mount was precision-machined in line with the action and barrel. I have a RX2 in .177. The pre-HE system can use the original bicycle style pump. NOTE: Do not exceed the Rifle Manufacturers recommended pressure. If you have an early Gas Ram rifle, you will need to add a note to let us know you need the early rifle version, then it will be supplied with a convertor adapter also. For my RX, it only took a stroke or two with three being almost too much. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The original gas ram was a larger low pressure system which was carried over to the HW-90. The Fenman was an ultra carbine with an 8” barrel, when other carbines were twice the length or more – yet it was consistent, accurate and very well balanced. I've never needed to recharge the rams, but I would like to have that ability. For fine-tuning the gas-ram, there is a Schrader valve that can be pumped just like a tyre, using the proprietary Theoben pump or a mountain bike pump. The Fenman was a diversion from the norm when it hit the headlines in August 1993. Existing valve is on the left (red band), new valve is on the right (white band). Comes with a single block mount and a Weaver… £399 US$543/€442. The chamber before the valve is smooth. I know RX rifles are between 23-24 BAR from talking to Beeman 20 years ago. The Theoben H.E. NOT for Theoben models - see my other listings for Theoben rifles. BEEMAN / THEOBEN SLR-98.22 Cal. A more modest velocity is smoother and easier to shoot well. There is another adapter that is smaller (yellow) that fits the port. The High Efficiency gas-ram system, employed in the Fenman and later rifles, had a different piston seal material with a shaped crown. The problem lies in the trigger. 22" barrel (including moderator), figured walnut stock with rubber recoil pad. 22" barrel (including moderator), figured walnut stock with rubber recoil pad. I've removed the stock and schrader value sealing screw with o-ring. In an exchange w/ JoshIII, in regards to an RX2 (?) Attempted a valve core replacement on an eliminator today. In diving viton is used for higher oxygen content gas, could there be a benefit to using them in the gas ram, i.e. Required fields are marked *. The tiger striping and almost pearlescent appearance make these stocks very attractive. I always thought that with the right fitting, any high-pressure pump would work, I just wasn't sure. Theoben had officially been making gas-ram-powered air rifles since 1980 when they were granted the patent for the system, but Ben Taylor had the idea back in 1978 when he was working on a Suzuki GS1000 motorbike which had air-assisted forks. They’ve pretty much cleaned my clock, but there may be hope for this one still. Also good for HW90. Theoben .22 Eliminator-Outfit Break Barrel - Gas Ram Air Rifle (R/H) - S/H Andy McLachlan’s memorable multi-shot magazine moment. Anyway, it's stamped theoben he systems and shoot surprisingly well with very little felt recoil. IMHO, the opposite is true. The difference is stock only. Power is unchanging for thousands of rounds. 3,048. The adapter should only be run up finger tight to the rifle port. (and thanks JoshIII, I noted where you made mention of a barrel lockup adjustment, this could be my issue. Welcome to our Group Devoted to the Greatest most original Designed Air rifle ever made the Theoben Gas Ram No sales please. Post Nov 11, 2009 #1 2009-11-11T06:43. Theoben Gas Ram Owners has 912 members. Equipped with the precision adjustable trigger "Elite" with automatic safety. My Crosman .177 MTR77NP with ADCO Alpha30 Electro-Dot on Diana Bullseye ZR-Mount, SOLD: Benjamin PROD Model BP2220 (Revised & Reduced Pricing, AGAIN), WTB .380 Shells for Crosman Trapmaster 1100. gas ram system. The hardest shooting Eleminator I have ever had (HE) would launch a 14.3 gr. Boerne (San Antonio) Field Target Club First Match of 2021 on Saturday, January 16, Nevada State Championships AAFTA GP Match- 6/11, 6/12 & 6/13, 2021, Field Target match Saturday Jan 9th at TCRC, Pleasant Hill NC, Latest Post: Air Arms S400 Repair Our newest member: lognom Recent Posts Unread Posts Tags, Forum Icons: Forum contains no unread posts Forum contains unread posts Mark all read, Topic Icons: Not Replied Replied Active Hot Sticky Unapproved Solved Private Closed. 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